Monkey and Rooster
These are traditional rules about the twelve signs. No chart decides a relationship.
The traditional relations
- 無 No listed relation
None of the classical relations apply to this pair.
What tradition says
The seventh and eighth months sit together here, 申 and 酉, both of them metal. The tables list no relation. Only polarity tells them apart, 申 yang and 酉 yin. In the triads they part ways, 申 with water and 酉 with metal, where the Wuxing Dayi gives 酉 the peak of that element.
Picture, as popular zodiac books do, a Monkey who improvises next to a Rooster who audits, with sparks over whose way is better. Popular charts do not agree on the outcome, which is honest given that no classical rule applies.
Both signs are said to be sharp, in different senses. Which of you notices the flaw and which notices the shortcut? Try handing the next problem to the other person's habit first.
Shared metal is a branch fact for the signs 申 and 酉 and tells you nothing reliable about a Monkey and a Rooster in the same kitchen.
Where this text comes from
The relation tables follow 五行大義 volume 2 and 三命通會 volumes 2 and 3 on Wikisource. The popular readings are modern and come from neither.
- 五行大義 卷二 (Wikisource 五行大義/2, traditional script)
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- 三命通會 卷二 (Wikisource 三命通會/卷二, SIMPLIFIED script)
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