Cast & Chart

Monkey and Monkey

These are traditional rules about the twelve signs. No chart decides a relationship.

The traditional relations

  • 無 No listed relation

    None of the classical relations apply to this pair.

What tradition says

Doubling 申 yields no Self-Punishment, which the tables give only to 辰, 午, 酉 and 亥. 申 does punish 寅 and is punished by 巳, but both arrows involve other branches. It is metal and yang, the seventh month, and in the water group of the triads it marks where water is born. People of one sign are usually the same age or a multiple of twelve years apart, so this page often describes peers or a wide generation gap.

Two quick, amused Monkeys who never run out of things to say are the stock figures of popular zodiac books, and they may compete to be the cleverest. Popular writers treat doubling as more of the same, an idea the classical tables do not contain.

When both of you are quick, someone has to be the one who slows down and listens. Who has been doing that lately, and does that person mind?

Matching branches make two Monkeys the same sign, and that is the full extent of what the match can say.

Where this text comes from

The relation tables follow 五行大義 volume 2 and 三命通會 volumes 2 and 3 on Wikisource. The popular readings are modern and come from neither.

The English here is our own plain wording, not a translation of a single source.