Cast & Chart

Monkey and Dog

These are traditional rules about the twelve signs. No chart decides a relationship.

The traditional relations

  • 無 No listed relation

    None of the classical relations apply to this pair.

What tradition says

No classical relation joins 申 and 戌, which stand two places apart with 酉 between them. Both are yang. 戌 is earth and 申 is metal, so earth bearing metal places the Dog on the supplying side. They fall in the seventh and ninth months of the old reckoning.

The popular zodiac framing of this pair pits the Monkey's appetite for a clever workaround against the Dog's concern for doing things properly. Popular charts often treat the result as workable, with some friction. Such notes belong to the modern personality game.

Talk about rules you each think are fine to bend and rules you would never bend. A short list from each of you will tell you more than any chart of these two signs could.

Without a listed relation, 申 and 戌 offer a sketch of two signs, and you are under no obligation to resemble it.

Where this text comes from

The relation tables follow 五行大義 volume 2 and 三命通會 volumes 2 and 3 on Wikisource. The popular readings are modern and come from neither.

The English here is our own plain wording, not a translation of a single source.